Who is Jesus? One of the
misconceptions many Christians have, is they expect Muslims to
have little respect for Jesus. This simply from what I understand is not
true. Muslims
understanding of the Qu’ran and their Imams as I understand agree on the following;
1. Jesus was born of a virgin.
2. He was the Messiah.
3. He performed many miracles, including healing the sick and raising the dead.
4. He was a prophet.29
5. He was completely sinless throughout his entire earthly existence.
6. God raised Jesus to heaven.
7. He will come back to earth before the Day of Judgment.
8. He is the “Word of God.”
Muslims may sometimes interpret some of these points
differently from Christians, but
they provide a good start for discussing the faith each of us has in Jesus.
A huge difference between the faith of Islam and
Christianity is how they view the term
“Son Of God.” Muslims, however, do not believe Jesus is the “Son of God.” God is
Spirit— He has no physical body for procreating. God has no wife. Mary was a virgin.
Muslims
would remind us that pagans believed in gods who had wives and children, but
this cannot be said of the
true God. Every time the Qur’an denies
Jesus is the “Son of God,”
it is denying that Jesus is God’s
offspring in the sense that humans have offspring.”
(Handbook on Islam for Christians Serving in the US Armed
Forces Donald S. Tingle)
What I would say to my Muslim friend is; God or Allah is not
in a LITERAL sense God’s Son.
Only in
how he relates to man.
Jesus has no mother. God is not
literally the father of Jesus.
Understand as man we will never be able to completely understand, that God
Himself came to
Earth to do what no man could do. That this was the plan of God, and that God wants to
have
a genuine, family relationship with His people. To try and
explain this I am inserting a sermon I
gave during Christmas time on this
question on the Son of God. This
insert will delve into the
area of Mormonism because they also struggle with
the concept that Jesus is the Son of God.
Thank you for your replies and input. May God richly bless you.
1. Who is
Jesus?
One apologetic facts that gives Christianity credibility is
we never rely on one isolated verse to
determine who Jesus is. Over 700 years before Jesus came that first Christmas Daniel 7
gives
us a picture or what we mean when we say Jesus is the Son of Man and son of God.
Listen to Daniel 7 starting in verse 13. Listen to verse thirteen:
In my vision at night I
looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds
of
heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into
his presence. He was
given authority, glory and sovereign power;
all peoples, nations and men of every
language worshiped him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass
away,
and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
Notice first this passage uses designation that was the favorite title Jesus
used of
himself: Son of Man.
That term is used over 80 times, just in the Gospels. This
passage
was written 700 years before God was born of a virgin, we now
celebrate as Christmas. So when Jesus uses the term Son of Man; where is he
claiming he came from?
Verse thirteen Clouds of heaven; Jesus existed before his
birth in heaven. But at the
same breath he is Son of Man, this eternal one is both From heaven-God and from
earth Man. The God man.
Next notice he comes before the Ancient of Day-That is God
the Father. Here is
one
more biblical place where we see the concept of the trinity: One god three
persons-Not three God’s. Because in this passage we are told that both the Ancient
of Days and
Son of Man are titles of deity.
Son of man second person of the Trinity God the Son, creator entering into Creation
to save mankind
from his sins-this is what we should be celebrating at Christmas.
Notices the last part of this passage in Daniel 7; every part of verse 14 is worship
language: and worship is reserved for
whom?
God alone! So when we
say Jesus is the Son of God; we are saying he is
worthy of our Worship! He is worthy because according to Daniel 7 He is the
King of Kings and Lord or
Lords!
The Jews knew this
verse, and had waited hundreds of years for it’s
fulfillment, and Jesus birth at Bethlehem it is
fulfilled. Notice how massive this
statement is The one coming is going to
rule over all peoples, his kingdom will
never end and he is
eternal!
Time and time again in the Old Testament the Ancient of Days says to the
world in Scripture He is Coming, He is
coming! My paraphrase; Almighty
God is coming and going to enter into human history like a man, who will
establish a kingdom for
all that will never end. This
Son of Man-Son of God
is to be worshiped, honored and glorified by man no matter what your ethnicity
is, what your race is, what your sexual orientation is, what
your cultural
background is; everyone, everywhere should honor
him!
This is who Jesus is !
It is why we celebrate Christmas!
That is a
massive statement-That is massive statement that has changed the world.
Now we enter into
the immediate context of the birth of Jesus. Hundreds
of silent years people have been waiting for
whom? Son of Man!
Son of
God! Jesus himself confesses this Great truth in Luke 22 out of a
bloody mouth . You can not make a clearer statement of deity than that!
And He does so in front of his enemies and on trial, recorded in public record,
with
nothing to gain for His confession.
Let me remind you what Luke 22:71
says; They all asked, “Are you then the Son of God?” He replied, “You are
right in saying I am.” Then they said, “Why do we need any more testimony? We have
heard it from his own lips.”
The issue for the Jewish leaders and for us today about
Jesus is one thing: are you the
Son of God? Are they not saying He is guilty? Guilty of
what? Blasphemy-Claiming to
be God! Are they not asking Jesus; are you saying you are the only God? Jesus is
saying if that’s a crime then I am guilty and put me to
death! He is the Son of God!
2.What does the title Son of God mean?
Let me start by telling you what it does not mean. Actually this issue has been in
background of the news or our recent
election and in the Middle East.
Because the
issue of what does the title Son of God mean?
This is what separates Christians
from Mormons and Muslims.
One issue in this past election was a Mormon running
for president, are Mormons Christians? Do they believe Jesus is the Son of God?
At the same time in the background there is an ongoing
debate on how we
translate the bible for Muslims. The debate is this; should we call Jesus the
Son of God? Translators in Istanbul make the case Muslims struggle with that concept.
Both issues are right out of the headlines and both issues ask the question; Is Jesus
the
Son of God?
Before I go on let
me make a clear statement; I am not judging anyone. God alone is
man’s judge. The bible is clear in the Old and New Testament it is man’s privilege to
choose. In Joshua we are asked chose this day who you will serve. Paul in
Philippians says we are to work out our Salvation with fear and
trembling.
Implying That there are right and wrong choices and they
have consequences!
I say
this because the people I have met who are Jehovah Witness, Muslim,
New agers and Mormons are good people! I like
them. But from that I draw
the
conclusion they want to do what is right, but are being deceived by false
teachers!
Now let me give you what the Mormon Church teaches about Jesus being the
Son of God.
If you sat down with two Mormon Missionaries or Elders and
asked them Is Jesus the Son of
God? I am certain they both would say;
Yes we believe Jesus is the
Son of God. So does that
mean they are
Christians? I do not
believe so and here is why.
Ask them what they
mean? Because
Cults and false teachers always twist definitions of
words. If you dig into Mormon theology you will see, they teach men
become gods, not that God became man, but that man can become a god.
When they become gods they can impregnate women and they have children
that become the sons of God. Oh that’s different –yeah we are heaven and
earth apart on
this issue! So what they
would teach is that there is a god
called God the Father, who has all the working parts of man and this
man had actual intercourse with a teen age girl called Mary and got
her pregnant.
She gave
birth to Jesus, because God was a glorified spirit being this makes
Jesus a son of a god. According to this thinking lots of people are sons of a god.
This is not what Jesus taught, it is not what the Bible teaches, therefore it is
not
what orthodox Christians believe.
First go back to
Luke 1:26 and you will see that Mary is a virgin. In addition in
the Old Testament and New Testament it says
God is not a Man. In fact
in
John 4 Jesus tells us God is spirit and must be worshiped so!
What they over
do is an extreme literal ism.
So let me give you
a 2 dollar word: Hermeneutics, means to interpret and it’s
how we understand the bible. Now understand we do view and understand the
Bible literally, we just go
off the rails if are as literal as the Mormons with
Biblical
language.
For example if I were to say I am hungry. You would say I believe Roger has
preached too long, he is hungry. Maybe there would be one who would say
that maybe he hunger he is refers to
the Freudian desire for complete
wholeness and the rest of you
would say whatever!
What it means is Texas Road House that’s what it means! But let’s say I came
to you and say: I am so hungry I could eat
a horse. Would you say;
really a
whole horse? Most would under-stand I am using a figure of speech. I do not
want a horse with sauce an all. So you
would say that does not make sense; oh
I get it a hyperbole so he wants two steaks.
We do this all the time; a group of guys see a gal walking
toward them they
say she is really hot! You being the nerd so no I think she looks like she has a
normal temperature. Girls same thing a nice looking Goy you say he is Hot!
A figure of Speech, does notcmean they are on fire-it means they are attractive.
The Bible does this all the time!
So a
good way to approach the bible is first approach verses
as literally true. If
that does not work then we go to a figurative language-
literal truth.
If that is not possible, we then approach the text as a literal truth
expressed in a figure of
speech. So what the Mormons do is say God is the
Father and Jesus is the Son of
God-so God must be a man who had a son by
Mary! Wrong Answer!
Because if you do
this you end up with some really weird views of God.
For example
Ps 91:4 says He shall cover you with His feathers, And under
His wings you shall take refuge. Okay, if take this literally then God is a
Chicken and according to this
verse one day I will stand before a huge
chicken to give an account
for my life. Including all
the chicken wings I ate.
So hopefully
you take a pause and say I don’t think that’s right.
I think it’s figure of speech to express the literal truth God loves and
care for us. Like a mother hen care for her chicks.
Beautiful word picture if you understand literal, figurative
language.
So celebrating Christmas by worshiping the Son of God does
not mean
he is one of many gods-but the one true God!
Think of it this
way, we are nowhere near then intelligence of
God. For example
there not a lot beyond our three pound fallen
brain, that we understand ?
Especially when it comes to there is
one God, who reigns forever, in three persons in perfect
union and
communion. Without a physical being but out of nothing
created
everything. And they
love, serve and glorify one another. I
do not
know about you, but my brain is starting to sweat. So okay let’s put
this literal truth in figurative language so my children can
under-
stand. There is one
God, there are three persons a Father, Son
and spirit who share attributes, life and communion. But at the
same time totally separate.
So we do not believe men can become gods. And that gods can
impregnate women.
This is why the orthodox Christians consider
the teaching of the Mormon Church as false; because the
bible
teaches there is one God and three persons. Not that there are
many Gods.
Now if a Muslim
comes along he immediately thinks the same
thing the Mormons do.
Are you saying God the Father is a
physical being, who inhabits a body impregnates a Jr High
Girl and
Jesus is born Making him the Son of God. They would tell you
that is scandalous, that is horrible, that can’t be true, so
they reject
the teaching that Jesus is the Son of God! There is a lot of things
we disagree with Muslims but on this we agree: it is not
sound
teaching to say God is a physical being who is intimate with
a Jr
High Girl! They would
say that is wrong and it is wrong!
Once again both Mormons and Muslims do not believe in the
trinity. They do not
believe that Jesus is God! They do not
believe
Jesus is both the Son of Man and the Son of god, because God
cannot die, so he must have swooned on the cross. So they
would say Jesus is a prophet but he is not god! They may even
say he was the best man who ever lived until Mohamed came
along. They would go
so far to say He is a Prophet.
Our response should be something like this. . .If as the
scriptures
testify Jesus claimed not to be a prophet but the only God,
how
can you call him a prophet?
You can’t say Jesus is a good man, if
he says he is god.
They would say that’s wrong, then how can
you say he is a good man?
What that actually makes him is a liar,
You cannot say he is a good man and prophet who lied about
being God. That would
make him a false prophet.
So, who Is Jesus? I
believe all accounts point to One God, who came as the Man named;
Jesus. This God Man Jesus gave himself as atonement for Man’s sin. For God
so loved
the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have everlasting life. Truly God is merciful and Compassionate.
Every chapter in the Quar’an begins with “In the name of
God, the merciful, the
compassionate.” This is a truth that both Muslims and Christians should agree on
Allah
(Arabic for God) is compassionate and merciful. Let us be like Allah
compassionate and merciful to
one another.
Be God’s
Roger Miller
1 comment:
Assalamu Alaikom wa Rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh (May God's peace, blessings, and mercy be upon you),
First, sorry for the delayed reply as I'm busy, so I barely have time.
Second, didn't we agree that we won't debate?!
Anyways! ...
To answer the part that concerns Islamic definition of Jesus (pbuh) as a prophet and not as a God or a part of a God comes clearly from the Quran and the teachings of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh).
You seemed to agree on what you've read in the Quran, impressed me with your understanding then you kinda lost it in the end by shifting back to what you've always known, and I understand that, it's not easy, I can't imagine myself being in anyone's shoes!
Without going more into details, Allah (swt) tells us in the Quran that the Torah and the Gospel were manipulated by the people, it is no more the same as it was revealed from Him.
Because of that Allah took an Oath to Himself that He will keep the Quran from manipulation, and it is mentioned in chapter 15:
{Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian. (9)}
Ever heard of more than one arabic version of the Quran?
Not even a single letter is different from one copy to another!
Any attempt to change it failed over history, because it soon become discovered and then dismissed.
That is why we only trust the Quran as a reference, but we do believe that the Torah and the Gospel were originally revealed from God. And that's why you still see some similarities between the three books. There is also another book mentioned in the Quran called Zabboor, a revelation from God as well but it no longer exists for a wisdom that only God knows!
To answer the other part concerning 'How come we honer Jesus (pbuh) yet we don't believe he is the God? and since he mentioned it in the bible then we are basically saying he's a liar!'.
Again our reference is the Quran, the never ever changed word of God, it even answers your two questions, that he didn't tell people that he is the God and that he is truthful not a liar. In fact he'll be admitted to Paradise because of that. [Lucky he! I sure wish to be his neighbor in Paradise, God willing].
From chapter 5:
{And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. (116) I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. (117) If You should punish them - indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. (118) Allah will say, "This is the Day when the truthful will benefit from their truthfulness." For them are gardens [in Paradise] beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever, Allah being pleased with them, and they with Him. That is the great attainment. (119) To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is within them. And He is over all things competent. (120)}
Did you notice how Jesus (pbuh) mentions that after he was raised, he no longer knew what happened after him?!
Did you notice "You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself"?!
Do you want to wait until that day comes and this conversation happens in front of you? I don't know! All I know that, it will just be too late!
And God knows best.
Assalamu Alaikom (peace be upon you)
Your sister :)
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